Comments on: Please Sign the Clear Creek Petition http://carnegieforever.org/2010/02/09/please-sign-the-clear-creek-petition/ Keep Carnegie SVRA open! Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:25:05 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Gunnar http://carnegieforever.org/2010/02/09/please-sign-the-clear-creek-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-92 Gunnar Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:22:05 +0000 http://carnegieforever.org/?p=243#comment-92 Another interesting thing (of many) in that report is their ride time / speed estimate. They must have hired enduro world champions since they claimed 120 miles per day at an average speed of 20 mph. That's 6hours! The only days I've ridden even close to that much on trails my hands (and other unmentionable parts) were literally bleeding. Adding that members of the OHV community witnessed the test being performed during the driest part of the year, going back and forth on the same roads, this is a laughable study. The estimated exposure is way off if you consider a realistic scenario of lower speed, less dry conditions, less riding time, not going back and forth on main roads, etc. And with the actual type of asbestos not being the dangerous version this becomes even crazier. I simply find it hard to interpret this any other way then BLM not wanting to keep the park open. Another interesting thing (of many) in that report is their ride time / speed estimate. They must have hired enduro world champions since they claimed 120 miles per day at an average speed of 20 mph. That’s 6hours! The only days I’ve ridden even close to that much on trails my hands (and other unmentionable parts) were literally bleeding. Adding that members of the OHV community witnessed the test being performed during the driest part of the year, going back and forth on the same roads, this is a laughable study. The estimated exposure is way off if you consider a realistic scenario of lower speed, less dry conditions, less riding time, not going back and forth on main roads, etc. And with the actual type of asbestos not being the dangerous version this becomes even crazier. I simply find it hard to interpret this any other way then BLM not wanting to keep the park open.

]]> By: Diana Tweedy http://carnegieforever.org/2010/02/09/please-sign-the-clear-creek-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-91 Diana Tweedy Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:03:35 +0000 http://carnegieforever.org/?p=243#comment-91 The presence of naturally occurring asbestos at Clear Creek is a rationalization for closing another one of our cherished riding areas, just like failing to provide a waste discharge report is a rationalization for closing Carnegie. It does not make any sense, either rationally or legally. Clear Creek is being closed, they say due to the danger of exposure to asbestos. The authorities' rationalization is based on studies done in the workplace where asbestos is taken out of its natural setting and used in insulation for housing and wiring, etc. At Clear Creek natural asbestos fibers are trapped in serpentine rock, a metamorphic rock baked hard in the bowels of the earth. This form of asbestos does not get into the air we breath. It is trapped in hard rock. Their scare tactics are based on asbestos used in the workplace, which when airborne became lodged in the workers' lungs. Sometimes after years working with the stuff, workers come down with asbestosis, the lung disease that was the subject of all the asbestos litigation. Again, hysteria regarding asbestos is the reason that they shut down Clear Creek, not legitimate science. The real agenda is to close all areas used by off road motorized vehicles. Areas like Clear Creek are precious to those who ride there. If you haven't gotten around to these sites yet check these out. A big thanks to Jason and Don Amador. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-6Z2ZHrKY http://www.foccma.org/html/articles/clearcreekvideo.html The presence of naturally occurring asbestos at Clear Creek is a rationalization for closing another one of our cherished riding areas, just like failing to provide a waste discharge report is a rationalization for closing Carnegie. It does not make any sense, either rationally or legally.

Clear Creek is being closed, they say due to the danger of exposure to asbestos. The authorities’ rationalization is based on studies done in the workplace where asbestos is taken out of its natural setting and used in insulation for housing and wiring, etc. At Clear Creek natural asbestos fibers are trapped in serpentine rock, a metamorphic rock baked hard in the bowels of the earth. This form of asbestos does not get into the air we breath. It is trapped in hard rock. Their scare tactics are based on asbestos used in the workplace, which when airborne became lodged in the workers’ lungs. Sometimes after years working with the stuff, workers come down with asbestosis, the lung disease that was the subject of all the asbestos litigation.

Again, hysteria regarding asbestos is the reason that they shut down Clear Creek, not legitimate science. The real agenda is to close all areas used by off road motorized vehicles.

Areas like Clear Creek are precious to those who ride there. If you haven’t gotten around to these sites yet check these out. A big thanks to Jason and Don Amador.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-6Z2ZHrKY

http://www.foccma.org/html/articles/clearcreekvideo.html

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